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The hosts discuss Lord Byron's poem about Ivan Mazepa, specifically the legendary story of Mazepa being tied naked to a horse. Tom mentions 'And Byron writes a poem about that. And his journey on the back of the horse is emblematic of the romantic spirit.' They also note 'it's a great poem, nevertheless' even though the story it's based on likely never happened.

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Dominic briefly quotes from The Lord of the Rings when describing Peter the Great's retribution against those who might join Mazepa, saying 'Peter's wrath will be terrible, his retribution swift, to quote the Lord of the Rings.'